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1990 Survey of Recreational Fishing in Canada

Survey Highlights

Angler Profile

There were 6.6 million active anglers of all ages in Canada in 1990 (Table 1). Of these anglers, 5.5 million were resident anglers (anglers who lived in Canada and who fished in their home province/ territory). The majority of these resident anglers were concentrated in Ontario and Quebec (Table 2), however, the participation rate, that is the proportion of the population taking part in recreational fishing, was highest in the Yukon and Newfoundland. Additionally, over 241,000 non-resident Canadian anglers (persons who lived in the country but who fished outside their home jurisdiction) and almost 877,000 other non-residents (persons who lived outside Canada but fished in the country) actively fished in 1990. British Columbia entertained 47.6% of the non-resident Canadians in both its fresh and salt waters whereas, 71.7% of the non-resident, non-Canadians fished in Ontario.

Table 1: Numbers and Characteristics of Anglers in Canada in 1990
  Resident Non resident Canadian Non resident Non-Canadian Total
Total Adult Angling Population 3,999,568 188,983 773,592 4,962,143
Active Adult Anglers 3,894,944 184,987 761,373 4,841,304
  Males 2,792,886 157,713 648,106 3,598,705
    (Average Age, Years) 39 43 46 41
  Females 1,102,058 27,274 113,269 1,242,601
    (Average Age, Years) 37 41 47 38
Other Anglers 1,572,181 56,405 115,385 1,743,971
Total Active Anglers (All Ages) 5,467,125 241,392 876,758 6,585,275
* Values derived from jurisdictional populations, Dec. 1990.

Table 2: Participation of Active Resident Anglers by Jurisdiction in Canada in 1990
Jurisdiction Active Resident Anglers Number % Active Resident Anglers Participation Rate (%)*
Nfld. & Lab. 209,644 3.8 36.6
P.E.I. 15,033 0.3 11.5
Nova Scotia 95,650 1.7 10.7
New Brunswick 104,048 1.9 14.4
Quebec 1,578,237 28.9 23.3
Ontario 2,069,347 37.9 21.2
Manitoba 184,173 3.4 16.9
Saskatchewan 174,108 3.2 17.4
Alberta 316,843 5.8 12.8
B.C. Freshwater 403,598 7.4 12.9
B.C. Tidal 296,256 5.4 9.5
Yukon Territory 10,095 0.2 38.7
N.W.T 10,093 0.2 18.8
Total 5,467,125 100.0 20.6
* Values derived from jurisdictional populations, Dec. 1990.

Anglers under 16, and those under the legal licensing age in certain provinces, made up approximately 26.5% of the total angler numbers. It is probable that the number of anglers under 16 years of age is underestimated because the survey covered, for the most part, only those households with at least one licensed adult angler. Visitors, including those 189,000 Canadians who were licensed to fish outside their home provinces, made up 19.4% of the total adult angler population. Male anglers made up 72% of resident active adult anglers, 85% of Canadian non-residents and 85% of all non-Canadian non-residents.

Approximately 78% of non-resident anglers were foreigners, mainly Americans coming to Canada from the East North Central, West North Central and Mid-Atlantic census regions of the United States (Figure 1). The remaining anglers were Canadians who fished outside their home provinces, with 63.4% coming from the prairie provinces (Table 3).

Table 3: Origin of Nonresident Licensed Anglers
Jurisdiction/State Census Group Total Number
Canadian
  Maritimes 6,737
  Quebec 7,164
  Ontario 46,873
  Prairies 119,264
  British Columbia 7,215
  Territories 1,597
  Other 144
  Canadian Total 188,983
Non-Canadian
  New England 17,772
  Mid Atlantic 124,747
  East North Central 285,447
  West North Central 165,564
  Mountain 24,947
  Pacific 102,073
  South Atlantic 24,380
  East South Central 7,985
  West South Central 15,352
  Hawaii 876
  Alaska 1,338
  Other U.S.A. 121
  United Kingdom 429
  Europe 2,255
  Asia 86
  Australia/Pacific Region 207
  Mexico/C. Amer./S. Amer. 8
  Non-Canadian Total 773,592
All Non-resident Anglers 962,575
Figure 1: Regional Distribution of United States Residents Who Held Canadian Angling Licences in 1990

Regional Distribution of United States Residents Who Held Canadian Angling Licences in 1990

Fishing Effort

Recreational fishing in Canada is a major recreational activity. Close to one in every five Canadians fished in 1990 and one out of every seven anglers was a visitor to this country.

Adult anglers fished a total of approximately 67 million days in Canada in 1990 (Table 4). Almost half (46.7%) of these days were spent in Ontario with Quebec second at 20.8%. Ninety percent of this effort was expended by Canadian anglers fishing within their respective jurisdictions, while only 2% of this effort was expended by Canadians visiting other provinces and 8% by other non-resident anglers visiting Canada. Resident anglers fished an average of 16 days, while non-resident Canadians and visiting non-residents fished an average of 6.8 and 7.5 days respectively. Most of this fishing pressure (93%) took place in freshwater.

Table 4: Angling Effort (in Angler Days) in Freshwater and Saltwater
Waters Resident Non-resident Canadian Non-resident Non-Canadian Total Total
Freshwater 56,039,818 1,039,059   5,305,633 62,384,510
Saltwater 4,150,618 217,947   397,492 4,766,057
Total 60,190,436 1,257,006   5,703,125 67,150,567
Average Days Fished 15.5 6.8   7.5 13.9

Harvest

In 1990, anglers caught over 300 million fish of all species and retained almost 157 million of them (Table 5 and Table 6). Resident anglers caught 81% of the fish harvested in 1990 and they took, on average almost 45 fish each. Non-resident Canadians harvested 20 fish each in other jurisdictions, while visiting foreign anglers retained 60 fish each.

Table 5: Fish Caught, by Species, in Canada in 1990
Species Resident Nonresident
Canadian
Nonresident
Non-Canadian
Total
Cod 3,899,646 3,106 4,483 3,907,235
Trout 63,826,820 837,207 1,792,678 66,456,705
Charr 844,780 57,471 45,775 948,026
Bass 23,896,867 386,038 7,453,158 31,736,063
Grayling 334,976 57,683 104,846 497,505
Walleye 27,414,355 1,181,530 17,009,467 45,605,352
Perch 31,912,680 376,352 5,963,418 38,252,450
Whitefish 1,934,752 36,879 171,913 2,143,544
Smelt 25,628,173 2,069 161,476 25,791,718
Flounder 163,431 227 563 164,221
Pollock 146,861 596 614 148,071
Mackerel 1,225,599 3,352 8,310 1,237,261
Kokanee 1,128,462 88,836 41,112 1,258,410
Northern Pike 21,395,746 834,291 11,195,794 33,425,831
Salmon:
  Landlocked 453,988 7,071 4,843 465,902
  Coho 2,318,124 184,069 319,574 2,821,767
  Atlantic 119,526 8,565 13,448 141,539
  Chinook 2,114,294 124,111 194,711 2,433,116
  Sockeye 180,894 4,403 3,848 189,145
  Other 692,699 122,012 194,275 1,008,986
Other 36,024,165 531,427 8,309,313 44,864,905
Total 245,656,838 4,847,286 52,993,617 303,497,741

Table 6: Fish Retained, by Species
Species Resident Non-resident
Canadian
Non-resident
Non-Canadian
Total
Cod 3,499,483 2,369 3,881 3,505,733
Trout 43,775,145 377,999 614,343 44,767,487
Charr 569,680 17,016 11,681 598,377
Bass 5,634,085 116,129 1,579,925 7,330,139
Grayling 91,523 14,441 26,425 132,389
Walleye 15,327,032 536,928 4,964,581 20,828,541
Perch 15,134,514 136,207 2,909,731 18,180,452
Whitefish 989,726 13,044 63,894 1,066,664
Smelt 24,409,964 1,587 159,355 24,570,906
Flounder 125,435 227 143 125,805
Pollock 74,201 96 99 74,396
Mackerel 1,072,906 2,871 6,982 1,082,759
Kokanee 867,836 63,118 30,699 961,653
Northern Pike 7,902,105 217,292 1,793,386 9,912,783
Salmon:
Landlocked 300,272 1,837 1,858 303,967
Coho 1,361,244 135,946 247,878 1,745,068
Atlantic 84,481 5,445 6,780 96,706
Chinook 820,320 59,287 138,864 1,018,471
Sockeye 149,471 3,947 3,098 156,516
Other 284,349 45,405 55,973 385,727
Other 15,402,714 300,840 4,274,881 19,978,435
Total 137,876,486 2,052,029 16,894,458 156,822,973
Weight of Fish Retained (lbs) 124,389,413 4,449,728 25,522,439 154,361,580
Weight of Fish Eaten (lbs) 101,256,699 3,752,129 19,454,908 124,463,736
% Eaten 81.4 84.3 76.2 80.6

Almost half (49.3%) of all fish caught were caught in the province of Ontario, however, the overall proportion of fish retained was only 41% indicating that catch and release efforts were working proportion of fish retained was only 41% indicating that catch and release efforts were working effectively in Ontario. All provinces west of Ontario also show a lower overall percentage of fish kept than caught, whereas in the eastern provinces, the opposite is true.

The total weight of fish kept by anglers was almost 69 thousand tonnes (154 million pounds). If we compare the weight of the fish instead of the number of fish, Ontario's share drops by almost 12% whereas B.C. tidal anglers increase their share by 10%.

Figure 2: Proportion of fish (by number) retained by anglers.
Proportion of fish (by number) retained by anglers

In terms of species harvested (Figure 2), trout accounted for 29% of all fish retained, followed by smelt (16%), walleye (13%), perch (12%), northern pike (6%) and bass (5%). For both non-resident groups, walleye was the most harvested species accounting for 32% of the foreign anglers catch and 26% of the Canadians catch.

On average, anglers retained 52% of the fish they caught. Resident anglers kept 56% of the fish they caught; non-resident Canadians, 42%; and other non-residents, 32%. In general, anglers kept a higher proportion of smelt (95%), cod (90%), mackerel (88%) and sockeye (83%) and a lower percentage of bass (23%), grayling (27%) and pike (29%).

Non-resident Trip Characteristics

Non-resident anglers made almost three million trips in Canada for all reasons and fished on 69%, or 2 million of their trips (Table 7).

Table 7: Trip Characteristics of Nonresident Anglers
Characteristics Non-resident
Canadian
Non-resident
Non-Canadian
Total
Trips - All Reasons 945,053 2,009,556 2,954,609
Fishing Trips 419,233 1,620,094 2,039,327
  - % 44.4 80.6 69.0
Days Spent for All Reasons 4,139,871 8,582,925 12,722,796
Days Fished 1,235,611 5,702,997 6,938,608
  - % 29.8 66.4 54.5
Fishing Trips - Main Reason 238,642 1,389,932 1,628,574
  Secondary Reason 122,252 191,754 314,006
  Decided Upon After Arrival 52,921 36,719 89,640
Day Trips for Fishing 113,607 667,963 781,570
Accommodation Used on Overnight Trips (% of nights)
  Friends and Relatives, Cottage 43.2 24.2 29.2
  Wilderness Camping 6.3 6.7 6.6
  Commercial Campgrounds 9.1 9.5 9.4
  Camping in Provincial Parks 7.6 4.7 5.4
  Camping on Crown Land 3.9 2.4 2.8
  Fishing Lodge, Camps, Outfitters 9.4 32.8 26.7
  Other Commercial Accommodation 9.3 12.6 11.8
  Other Accommodation 11.2 7.1 8.2
Total Nights Spent on Fishing Trips 1,844,247 5,159,052 7,003,299

Non-resident Canadians fished on only 44% of their trips to other jurisdictions, while visitors to Canada fished on 81% of their trips.

A total of 12.7 million days were spent in all jurisdictions by non-resident anglers, with just over half (52.7%) of these days being spent in Ontario. Non-resident anglers fished in all jurisdictions for 7 million of these days (55%), with non-residents of Canada accounting for 5.7 million of the days and Canadian non-residents for 1.3 million.

Day trips for fishing accounted for over 38.3% of all fishing trips in 1990, with non-residents of Canada having a proportionately higher percentage of day trips than Canadians visiting other jurisdictions.

Canadians fishing outside their jurisdictions chose Ontario 20% of the time with Saskatchewan a close second at 18%. B.C. tidal waters accounted for 23% of their days spent on trips while the non-tidal portion of the province placed second with 20%. As for the percentage of total days fished, five jurisdiction shared between 14.8% and 20% each of these days. They are: Quebec, B.C. freshwater and tidal waters, Saskatchewan and Ontario.

Ontario accounted for 80% of all non-resident, non-Canadian anglers' trips, 71% of their days spent in Canada and 77% of their days fished. The second most popular area was in B.C. tidal waters with percentages of 7.9, 10.4 and 6.9 respectively. For non-resident Canadians, over 43% of all nights spent on fishing trips were with friends and relatives or at a cottage, while for anglers from outside Canada, this figure was only 24.2%, much less than the 32.8% who stayed at fishing lodges, camps and outfitters. More than 7 million nights were spent on overnight trips for fishing in 1990 with over 73.7% of these nights being accounted for by non-Canadian anglers.

Almost three quarters of the non-resident anglers indicated that they would probably return to fish in the future in the jurisdiction covered. The real difference in motivation, is apparent once the alternatives to fishing are examined. While only 25.3% of non-resident Canadians indicated they would not have visited a particular jurisdiction had no fishing opportunities been available, almost 64% of foreign anglers indicated they would not have come at all (Table 8). Half of the Canadian non-resident respondents indicated they would have substituted other activities and 17% would have stayed a shorter time.

Table 8: Options for Active Nonresident Anglers If No Fishing Opportunities Existed in Canada in 1990
Activity Non-resident
Canadian
Non-resident
Non-Canadian
Total
Stayed Shorter Time 17.0 8.4 10.1
Substitute Other Activities 50.1 21.0 26.7
Not Come at All 25.3 63.9 56.3
Unknown 7.6 6.7 6.8

Expenditures and Investments

A considerable amount of economic activity is generated by those who go fishing as a recreational pursuit. While expenditures do not provide us with a measure of economic value of the fishery, they do indicate the diversity of the cost involved.

In 1990, anglers spent $2.8 billion on goods and services directly related to their angling activities (Table 9). Resident anglers spent over $2 billion of this amount, or $559 per angler. Canadian non-residents spent $118 million, or $636 per angler, and other non-residents spent a total of $538 million, for an average of $706 per angler. The statistical tables in the appendices do not include packages with direct expenditures. Instead package deals are broken down in separate tables for each jurisdiction. If we were to exclude package deals, we would note that Ontario cashed in on $1.1 billion or 46.2% of the $2.4 billion spent by all anglers in 1990. Quebec ranks second with 20.2%. The breakdown of expenditures by type shows that Ontario maintains approximately a 46% proportion of all expenditures whereas Quebec shows a low of 16.3% for fishing supplies and a high of 27.2% for fishing services.

Ontario residents account for 44.5% (of $2 billion) of all expenditures made by resident anglers. Non-resident Canadians favoured British Columbia with 35.4% (of $118 million) of their total direct expenditures going to fishing in tidal waters and another 20.2%, to fishing elsewhere in the province. Non-resident non-Canadians spent an overwhelming 66% (of $538 million) of their direct expenditures in Ontario. Food, lodging and transportation accounted for 77% of expenditures made by resident anglers (Figure 3), while non-resident Canadians spent 61% and foreign anglers 48% of their expenditures on these items (including packages).

Figure 3: Proportion of expenditures attributable to sport fishing.
Proportion of expenditures attributable to sport fishing

Visiting foreign anglers, purchased package deals worth $208 million (over 50% of all packages) or 38% of all expenditures (Table 9). Ontario received 42.5% of these deals, Quebec 25.9% and B.C. tidal waters 17.35%. A component of major importance is the money anglers spend for durable goods in support of their sport fishing activities. In 1990, anglers invested over $5.3 billion dollars in boats, motors, camping gear, special vehicles and other durable goods (Table 10).

Table 9: Expenditures Directly Attributable To Sport Fishing (in Cdn. $)
Expenditure Resident Non-resident Canadian Non-resident Non-Canadian Total
Food and Lodging 775,257,021 40,970,873 164,821,458 981,049,352
Transportation 892,128,855 32,121,389 93,056,643 1,017,306,887
Fishing Services 157,496,546 11,832,528 53,837,428 223,166,502
Fishing Supplies 162,074,050 4,876,541 14,647,002 181,597,593
Packages* 178,253,229 26,686,423 207,771,999 412,711,651
Other 13,407,432 1,156,551 3,532,648 18,096,631
Total 2,178,617,133 117,644,305 537,667,178 2,833,928,616
Average Per Active Angler 559.34 635.96 706.18 585.36
* Packages include fly-in, lodge, charterboat, charter aircraft, outcamp, outfitter, and general package costs.

Table 10: Major Purchases or Investments Attributable (in Whole or in Part) to Sport Fishing in Canada in 1990 (in Cdn. $)
Purchase Resident Non-resident Canadian Non-resident Non-Canadian Total
Fishing Equipment 258,244,840 3,213,140 8,433,571 269,891,551
Boating Equipment 1,258,518,044 16,411,578 71,224,463 1,346,154,085
Camping Equipment 555,016,419 7,189,264 7,119,841 569,325,524
Special Vehicles 1,864,764,979 15,701,462 23,098,905 1,903,565,346
Land-Buildings 1,027,193,766 48,369,530 42,406,972 1,117,970,268
Other 105,686,818 1,456,331 4,499,967 111,643,116
Total *5,069,424,868 92,341,305 156,783,719 *5,318,549,892
Average Per Active Angler 1,301.54 499.18 205.92 1,098.58
* Includes $9,449,015 of goods purchased outside Canada by resident anglers of Quebec.

Ontario (39.3%), Quebec (23.3%) and British Columbia (19.3%) were the main beneficiaries. Special vehicles accounted for 35.8% of major purchases. The Yukon, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick spent over fifty percent of their total purchases on these items. Only B.C. tidal water anglers and N.W.T. anglers spent more on boating equipment than on special vehicles.

Virtually all this investment was made by resident anglers who accounted for 95.3% of the total. Over one third of the monies invested in durable goods was spent on special vehicles such as ATV's, campers and other such vehicles which in recent years have become extremely popular with anglers. Quebec spent more on "other" types of purchases than any other jurisdiction. These purchases are directly attributable to the $9.5 million of goods purchased outside Canada and also due to the popular ice fishing practice in Quebec, which requires the purchase of ice huts and other related equipment.

Residents indicated that 58% of their investment expenditures were directly related to sport fishing activities; non-resident Canadians, 46%; and, other non-residents, 59% (Figure 4). This adds up to $3.1 million or 59% of the major purchases and investments (Table 11). Overall, anglers spent a total of $8.15 billion (sum of Table 9 and Table 10) on goods and services related in whole or in part to their angling activities in 1990. It is estimated that $5.9 billion, or 73%, of these expenditures were directly related to their angling pursuits.

Table 11: Major Purchases or Investments Wholly Attributable to Sport Fishing (in Cdn. $).
Purchase Resident Non-resident Canadian Non-resident Non-Canadian Total
Fishing Equipment 258,244,840 3,213,140 8,433,571 269,891,551
Boating Equipment 971,033,354 11,369,270 38,782,502 1,021,185,126
Camping Equipment 296,271,205 3,979,418 4,685,597 304,936,220
Special Vehicles 774,220,178 6,801,693 9,692,824 790,714,695
Land-Buildings 542,648,984 16,307,175 27,781,183 586,737,342
Other 86,785,477 953,491 3,553,956 91,292,924
Total *2,929,204,038 42,624,187 92,929,633 *3,064,757,858
Average Per Active Angler 752.05 230.42 122.06 633.04
* Includes $9,449,015 of goods purchased outside Canada by resident anglers of Quebec.

Willingness to Pay

Active anglers were asked "if your fishing costs had been higher in 1990 due to increased costs for gasoline, accommodation, supplies and other services, at what additional daily cost would you have decided not to fish?". Anglers across Canada were given choices from $1.00 to $100.00, with an additional category of "more than $100.00" in our Pacific tidal fishery. Less than 5% of anglers chose not to answer the question. Of those who did, $10 and $20 per day were most common responses, accounting for almost half of all active anglers (Table 12). The average daily amount indicated by residents was $14.13; by non-resident Canadians, $19.82; and, by other non-residents, $18.35. The overall average is $14.59 per angler per day.

Table 12: Willingness of Active Anglers to Pay Additional Costs for Fishing in Canada in 1990
Additional Cost Per Day Resident Non-resident
Canadian
Non-resident
Non-Canadian
Total
Unknown 4.5 5.2 3.7 4.4
Less than $10.00 20.5 13.2 16.5 19.6
$10.00 26.2 19.6 20.8 25.2
$20.00 23.6 22.9 24.5 23.7
$30.00 9.0 9.4 9.6 9.1
$40.00 3.8 3.8 3.8 3.9
$50.00 7.9 11.9 9.9 8.4
$60.00 0.9 1.3 1.0 0.9
$70.00 0.5 0.8 1.3 0.6
$80.00 0.6 1.1 1.1 0.7
$90.00 0.2 0.2 0.4 0.2
$100.00 1.3 5.5 3.9 1.9
More than $100.00 0.8 4.7 3.4 1.4
Total Additional Cost $850,211,524 $24,882,487 $104,680,612 $979,774,623
Average Per Angler $218 $135 $137 $202
Average Per Day Fished $14.13 $19.80 $18.35 $14.59
Figure 4: Proportion of purchases or investments made by anglers in Canada attributable to recreational fishing
Proportion of purchases or investments made by anglers in Canada attributable to recreational fishing

Summary

Over 6.5 million men, women and children fished in Canada in 1990, of which adults represented close to five million individuals. Of this total, just over 876,000 were anglers visiting this country, many for the sole purpose of recreational fishing. The estimated 4.8 million active adult anglers covered in the survey fished for 67 million days and caught over 300 million fish of all species. Of the fish caught, just under 157 million (or 51.7%), were kept. The total weight of the fish harvested was estimated to have been 70 thousand tonnes, of which 80.6% was eaten by anglers and their families. Although fish provide the focus of activity for anglers, the most important factors associated with their enjoyment of the sport are clean water and beauty of surroundings.

In total, the angling population spent $8.1 billion in Canada in 1990 of which $5.9 billion was directly associated with their sport. Anglers spent close to $2.8 billion on package deals, accommodation, food, transportation, fishing supplies and other services directly related to their angling activities. These expenditures were further augmented by monies they spent on investments in durable goods purchased to improve their access to the resource and their enjoyment of it. Investments in 1990 totaled over $5.3 billion for such durables as fishing equipment, boats, motors, camping equipment and special vehicles. Anglers estimated that over $3.1 billion of these expenditures were wholly attributable to their participation in angling.

Anglers further indicated that they were willing to spend on average almost $14.59 per day over and above their current expenditure patterns for services such as accommodation, transportation, etc. The total additional amount anglers indicated they were willing to pay in 1990 was $980 million. Resident anglers accounted for over 86% of this total. There were notable differences when comparing resident and nonresident anglers. Resident anglers indicated that they were willing to pay around $14 per day compared to almost $20 per day for nonresident Canadians and $18 per day for visitors to Canada.

Nonresident anglers made almost three million trips for all reasons into all jurisdictions. Just over 2 million of these trips were made by visitors to Canada with the remainder representing trips by Canadians to other jurisdictions. Overall, nonresident anglers fished on nearly 70% of the trips they made, with visitors to Canada indicating fishing activity on 81% of their trips. Nonresident visitors were most likely to have stayed at lodges and camps; Canadian nonresidents, with friends and relatives or at a family cottage.

Recreational fishing is an important component of the natural resources sector, even though growth has slowed over the last five years, along with other economic factors. The framework of socio-economic and biological information provided by this survey will enable managers of the resource to better assess and monitor fisheries performance in the recreational fishery. Given the impressive catch and release results achieved over the past five years, we know that some gains have been made through improved understanding and management of this fragile and important natural resource.

Comparisons to 1985

There was a 4% decrease in the number of active adult anglers since 1985. The number of days fished dropped by 8.2% and the number of fish caught fell by an equivalent 8.1%. The most important factor was the 31.8% reduction in the number of fish kept. This is further supported by the 30% drop in the total weight of the fish harvested. The number of trips made by non-residents dropped by 7.5% which resulted in a 17% drop in the number of nights spent on fishing trips and an 11% drop in the number of days fished during those trips.

The $5.9 billion directly attributable expenditure represents an increase of 32.7% in current dollars over expenditures made in 1985. Assessed in constant 1985 dollar terms, the increase is 6.6% which represents an annual increase in expenditures by anglers of 1.5% per year since 1985. Although growth still exists, the annual rate has fallen dramatically from the 12% per annum found in the period from 1980 to 1985. Anglers were willing to spend $2.50 more per day fished in 1985 than in 1990.